Friday, December 9, 2011

Back and Forth; Overseas, Redoubt, Stay?

Oh how I waver!

To build as sustainable place as I can here in the land I love, although it no longer resembles that land? Where is our Constitution?!

To move overseas, find a place to put down roots? To be a "wealthy" minority (and thus target)?

Here are two good articles addressing the topic. One is called "More Americans Go Abroad for Economic Opportunities" from CNBC. "the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 34 actively planning to relocate outside the U.S. has quintupled in just two years, from less than 1 percent to 5.1 percent."

The other is "What Is The Best Country In The World For Americans To Relocate To In Order To Avoid The Coming Economic Collapse?" It's from an info blog called The Economic Collapse. I used to subscribe to a blog called the Coming Economic Collapse, but it was too overwhelming and I felt impotent to protect myself. Please read the comments on this article; they're respectful and intelligently weigh the choices- not just countries, but the broader questions:
  1. is one a coward to leave now?
  2. is one prudent to leave now?
  3. can the US return to its roots, or will it slide further into a socialist police state?
  4. if the Constitution no longer stands, am I really "abandoning my country?"
  5. is any country really safe when the global economy fails?
  6. will SS retirement and Military retirement continue to pay out?
"Many people on here have been saying how those who desert America are nothing but traitors and good riddance to them if they leave. They need to realize that the America of today is very different to the America that our founding fathers envisioned. My loyalty is first to my family, secondly to my country. If I can achieve the American dream outside of the US, I will do so."-stillcode (comment)

We are looking at Costa Rica, Ecuador, and Uruguay.

We're so pleased you are reading Farming Salt & Light! Choose how you live!


Jeanne S said...

My husband visited several parts of Costa Rica and had nothing but good to say about it: friendly people, gorgeous fertile land, great food, incredible wildlife. The thing that impressed him most was that the people are very patriotic (Costa Rican flags displayed everywhere, in both homes & businesses) but nobody was negative about Americans or any other nationality. If it weren't for the fact that I can't handle hot, humid climates, I'd be tempted to retire there.

mama4x said...

Jeanne, us either- the way to avoid the humidity is places of altitude!!

Chief Instructor said...

Screw what anyone else thinks. This is YOUR life.

IMO, America is a collection of ideals, not a physical place. When those ideals have been destroyed, America ceases to exist.

I think we've passed the tipping point, and we'll not return to a Constitutional Republic until there is an armed uprising. I think we're talking decades away, though, and don't think I'll be alive to see that happen.

I think the next phase in the US will be the gradual nationalization of private wealth - commie style - so our plan is to acquire (and stash) tangible wealth via precious metals so our then-aged children will have a grub-stake to start over. We'll have a little land with the expectation that it will eventually be nationalized, probably in our lifetime. I expect that to be my last day on this earth.

My wife and I have discussed Costa Rica and the Guadalahara (sp?) area of Mexico, as they both have large US ex-pat communities.

That being said, we're probably staying. Leaving Kalifornia, but staying in the US. Most likely in the Redoubt area or close by.

mama4x said...

The Caribbean side of Costa Rica is like the Pacific side of Costa Rica was 20 years ago. We went there (pacific side) for 3 weeks on our honeymoon and loved it. My concern with centralizing smart preppers in the redoubt is that it can become a target if all of us are in one area. It seems easy enough to declare one area "the hotbed of enemy activity" in the future decades you speak of. Winters, too. Please leave California! I so appreciate your comments!

Urbivalist Dan said...


I've had your blog bookmarked for quite some time, but been a while since I visited.

So glad I did!

In spite of all the evidence, there are very few people actively considering expatriation and/or formal renunciation of U.S. Citizenship (which is even one step more "treasonous" to bring up).

I have written about this and had several conversations with people on and offline as I continue to pursue this course.

No matter what the naysayers bring up, it boils down to one question: "Would you rather be free or American?"

It's an uncomfortable question for most people to answer, but inevitably the answer is the same.

We can and should have the courage to leave America in search of a better life the same way that our ancestors left their countries to come here.

I salute you for being honest enough with yourself to be considering this, and for having the courage to speak your mind.

If you haven't already, you should check out sovereign man. He is a PT who regularly posts about life in different parts of the world (investment outlook, standard of living, etc.) One of the places that he's really high on is Chile.

Love to keep in touch. I'll check back, but feel free to shoot me a note as well!